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Sub Moderators, that’s what this topic is about. Recently there have been complaints that we mods haven’t been taking care of all the problems in the various sections. This is true and the reason is that we can’t check every single thread in every single section.

The idea of having a few members, between 4 and 8, who have some of the abilities of a Moderator. The abilities would be the following;

Editing of posts
Deleting of posts
Locking of threads
Moving of Threads

And their powers would be restricted to certain sections of the site. Similar to how other sites have Moderators and Global Moderators. Moderators are restricted to certain areas where as Global Mods can use their powers over the entire forum.

The idea behind this is to gain additional support from members who frequent a certain section or sections. By doing so small problems that are often looked over in lieu of larger problems can be more effectively handled. These 'Mini-Mods' will be expected to act as if they had full moderator responsibilities and also be expected to report major problems to Moderators so that we can handle them.

Several members support the idea including two of MovieCodec’s moderators, Firewolf81 and myself. In addition to that many members have already become quite interested in the idea and have been recommending other members for the job.

I myself personally believe that this idea can be of a big help, and in the event of one or more moderator resignations, will make the decision of a replacement that much easier.

Please support the idea and help make it a reality.

Current Supporters:

Maggot Face
Firewolf81
Cid
Nerevar117
PS3KICKS360
Deathspartan117
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC
CPO Fraser
the Gunblazer
HALOOOOOOOO

(These are the ones I can remember, I know there are many more so if you support the idea then PLEASE post saying so)

On a separate note, I also believe that the moderators need the ability to unlock a thread in case they lock a thread that doesn’t need to be locked. Now, I know it says that we can contact Bjarne about reopening a thread, but I don’t believe it needs to be necessary for us to have to disturb the webmaster with such a trivial thing.

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I don’t really think there is a need. Personally all I think this would do is make more problems for the site. Think of all the people arguing about who should or shouldn’t be a sub-moderator (a la the normal moderator applications). MVC is not really a very big site and as of late isn’t very active. With sub moderators what would be the screening process? Be less qualified than a moderator but not be a total n00b/troll?

I think this would do more harm than good. I don’t think putting more people in power will help solve MVC’s overall fall. People just want more power because they know that since there are no mod positions available, they still want to be able to say they are better than other people. It’s just another short fad that will eventually die down and everyone will forget it with no real solution (remember the immature vs. mature “war”?)

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*agrees and waits for Bjarne*

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the whole idea was made my Cid.... i think... not a normal member.... i think again.

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Either way, think it is being made by people saying there are not enough mods, just in the hopes that they will be made one.

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Actually, all of the supporters on the list above have said there is no need for more mods more times then I can count.

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then I don’t see why there would be a need for mini-mods.

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mini mods are different then normal mods.

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I know, but there’s no need for either.

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Because they’re different in a sense. Like a moderator they’ll be able to keep an eye on threads and get rid of problem posts. But! Unlike moderators members don’t have to worry about being wrongly banned or getting their threads deleted.

I’ve got to update the first post with something though...

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I don’t really see a need for it. Seems like it would be more trouble than it is worth.

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Obviously there can’t be a moderator in here at all hours of the day. Technically, theres only 3 of you that are consistent.

If you chose some reliable members, whom you trust, who have a good posting history, whom are generally kool with other members, who remind rebels of the rules when they are broken, or members that PM the mods when a problem arises, mini-mods could be a good thing ...

I think this site needs alot of cleaning up. Since the majority, including myself, believe there is no need for more normal moderators, then a small group of mini mods would be a good solution.

Now for supporting my argument, I bring you the Music/Movies/TV section. I PMed Cid and Firewolf yesterday about a guest who went on for paragraphs and paragraphs about his opinion on black people — - it was horrible to read.

There is ALOT of racism, general discrimination, flaming, un-needed topics, spamming that is happening in those threads unoticed. Good reliable mini mods could definitley help the situation.

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Place me on the supporters list please.

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The idea was mine and Cid’s. But I didn’t do it to get more power. I did it because I don’t want Moviecodec to die. And yes, I have been suggested as one, but only by other members. Not by me. And I figure the sub-mods would be chosen by the mods and Bjarne, especially since Bjarne himself has to approve in the first place. And to be honest, if they argue about being one then they don’t really need to be one.

SO yeah, Zirnitra, don’t be so paranoid. It’s not about power, it’s about saving the site.

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Honestly, you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.

The ONLY thing that is of a concern to MVC is spamming within a thread and spamming creating hundreds of new threads every minute, or bumping hundreds of old threads every minute.

Everything else is IN YOUR MINDS.

No apologies, I’m going to be harsh here...so what if people personally got raped? I’ve been abused in all the same ways you guys have but I let it go years ago and dealt with it. People who still feel traumatized by conversation of it are babies. When people go to crisis centers, are they not subjected to direct counselling and talking about it constantly? If it’s the MERE mention of 'rape' that traumatizes then you’ve got problems. If it’s just that people are making LIGHT of rape then the problem is still YOU TAKING IT PERSONALLY, ALLOWING THINGS TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOU. Get over yourselves. Deal with your problems already instead of using things as a reason to censor. Censorship is WRONG.

If you allow censorship of the 'fuck' word, it wont be long before 'shit', 'cunt', 'dick' etc are filtered. Eventually you get so many people on their high-horse that a plethora of words can’t be used in their normal context. Like someone called Dick Jones, etc. Or Tit for tat. Etc.

If you allow censorship of words/topics related to rape etc out of 'sensitivity' to others, eventually you get everyone else complaining that this word, this topic, etc are also offensive and should be filtered out and moderated out. Things like calling people retards. Islam v Christianity. Gays. Race related topics. The forum would become a joke as everyone has a multitude of things that could be offensive.

Same advice...DEAL WITH IT.

It 'offends' me that all these people are making such a big deal out of this. You’re all far too fragile-minded. So you all cry and leave when someone makes light of rape etc, but when you’re in your real world 24/7 and people make light of rape etc what do you do? YOU DEAL WITH IT.

It’s never nice to have to deal with a range of hurtful issues, that have affected oneself or ones loved ones personally. But that’s life. Deal with it. Yes yes, it’s hard, it “haunts” you. Big shit. Get over yourself and suck it in...suck that hurt in and dont detach yourself from it. You can NEVER run/hide from hurt/pain. These modern times seem to produce far too many EMOs and chocolate soldiers.

I’ve had plenty of people die from suicide or cancer. What are we gonna do? Ban talk and jokes about cancer because my feelings would get offended?

The ONLY thing MVC has to worry about is spamming. And if people are dropping off like flies it’s because there’s a collection of people who are too sensitive in the first place and like to make a big deal about themselves, their life. Or, teenagers are growing up and their lives are busier now doing other stuff. Or, a bunch of people leave because spamming (in posts or threads) is getting way out of hand. Or, people get bored because not enough people are on here so they leave for other forums where there’s thousands of people and cool topics being talked about.

MVC has lived thru it’s share of moments like these mass exoduses, and it will survive this one. You bunch will go and a new wave of teens etc will enter. All MVC really has to focus on is getting more people here. So that we have thousands of people online at any time. Stricter moderation in regards to spamming....but maintain freedom of speech...and it’s the best forum in the world!


In Regards to Mods....

Just do your job of killing spam, spammers, and spammed thread topics. And maintain consistency about banning people. Introduce an infraction system among yourselves.

This is how you do it...

Put a “report this post” button on each persons avatar area. If someone has a complaint they can press this button and it sends an email to a moderator who will get the relevant post embedded in that email. They can determine if it warrants an infraction or not. You have your degrees. Porn could mean 10 points, racism 15 points, spamming 20, etc, and there’s a real tally shown next to each members avatar that says they have accrued so many points. There are three stages...Yellow, Orange, and Red.

Yellow means youre not allowed to post links, images. Orange means youre not allowed to do those + create threads or edit your posts. Red means youre not allowed to do all those + make posts, only read them. A 'ban' as such that lasts for a month, no less. Then if someone using the same IP creates a new account during this time, that is an offense, and if you do so you will receive a banned IP or IP range.

Ie, something that is transparent and visible to all members. Beneath each person’s avatar, under OFFLINE/ONLINE, have a running tally. So under that there’s a horizontal bar that has three numbers 40...75...100. As each person gets infraction points (either direct complain or mod noticing something while he’s online) the bar fills in to show where each person is at.

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So your saying the younger members on MVC who have been through traumatic events are supposed to just know how to deal with it ? Sounds pretty insensitive to me ...

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Yeah, if that post isn’t evidence of insensitivity I’m not sure what is.

The whole point of the mini-mods is to HELP the mods catch spammers, etc. when they aren’t online or when they miss something.

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mini-mod is a good idea... i suppose... however, i do believe Bjarne won’t do anything.

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Exactly, GG you’re a wise man. But this idea didn’t happen specifically because of the events that caused the meeting. I want this idea to happen so that hopefully members will learn that they can and should help with site issues. If we appoint a few to a small seat of power and they begin helping us find posts that break the rules then hopefully other members will follow suite. If they did, then this forum will be a better place.

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I have a feeling he won’t either ... but its definitley worth a try.