converter and codec help

i`ve got a new “mp4” player and in the box wasn`t any cd with utilities so i need a conevrter that can make me a video file (.asf)with these carcateristics: http://files-upload.com/315088/Desktop.rar.html (open files with a web browser)
i couldn`t find the codec named ms-mpeg4 v1.
the onli program that worked but made files extremely large(the image was very bad,totally useless) was PMP Transcoding Tool.
help me guys!

nobody?
please i really need this stuff to work

costy wrote: nobody?
please i really need this stuff to work

Patience is a virtue! I was working on this last night, but I had to do some more testing to make sure of the steps in Windows Media Encoder 7 (I tried it on Virtual PC - which takes a while to set up).
Anyway...

I looked at the specs of the file you produced and it’s MP4S. That’s “Microsoft ISO MPEG-4 version 1”. (Note the “ISO”!) That’s NOT the same as “Microsoft MPEG-4 version 1”, which is MPG4 (and is not ISO-compliant).
Can you find out what container the file is in? Usually the extension of the file will tell you (AVI or ASF or WMV). You can also check using avicodec (http://avicodec.duby.info) or gspot (http://www.headbands.com/gspot)
First you should look at the brand and specifications of your player. It could be in the manual if you still have it. If not, look around any letters or numbers on your player and google it. You might manage to find out more information about what file type(s) are handled (AVI, MP4, PMP, AMV, MTV, or whatever). You might even be able to download up-to-date software from the manufacturer’s site! (I wouldn’t count on it if it’s made in China though...)
Now, to produce MP4S in ASF or WMV, you can use *some versions* of Windows Media Encoder. One way is Windows Media Encoder 9 (before you get it, read my warning below) (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx)
Run WME. You’ll get a wizard. Pick Convert a file. Choose your file. Click next a few times. When you get to the last page, UNcheck “Begin converting when I click finish”, then click finish. Now click Properties. Choose the compression tab. Click Edit. Click New. Under Video, you get a drop-down menu. If you see “ISO MPEG-4 Video V1”, you’re good to go. Select it and make your adjustments to your liking (you can see more below in my instructions for WME7). Then just continue along to produce your video.
Now here’s the warning. At some point, Microsoft removed “ISO MPEG-4 Video V1” from the list of encoding options. (You can still play/decode MP4S, you just can’t encode in it anymore). I don’t know when it was - whether it was when I updated DirectX, installed Windows Media Player 10, or installed some update from Microsoft. Therefore I can’t tell you how to get it back if it’s not there unfortunately. Anyway installing Windows Media Encoder 9 (as above) is a LONG way to check if it works, but it’s the only way I know of.

If that doesn’t work, get Windows Media Encoder 7 (be sure to uninstall 9 first). I don’t believe microsoft has it on their site anymore, but you can probably find a copy on the web (here’s one hit: http://azulweb.streamguys.com/public/Encoders/). Warning: I did get quite a few crashes when I installed it on Windows XP SP2 (it’s probably too old to work perfectly), but once I was done doing what I wanted to do, I uninstalled it and reinstalled Windows Media Player 9 (10 or 11 also works) and DirectX 9, and everything was back to normal. It works perfectly for making MP4S though.
When WME starts, pick “Broadcast, capture, or convert a file using the New Session Wizard”. Then select “Convert an audio or video file into a Windows Media file”. Note: WME7 requires your video file to have audio in it, even if it’s blank (quiet) audio. Uncheck Begin converting when this wizard finishes. Select your file. Then choose “File will stream from a server or play directly on a computer." At the next page, click “Create and Manage Profiles”. Click New, and type a name for your profile. For audience selection, click New. Type an audience name, and put a bitrate (from the files you sent, I’d put 128K - you can always modify this if it doesn’t work - it may take trial and error to find the right numbers). For audio, I looked at the audio codec on your file and it’s tag 17 (0x11), which is IMA ADPCM. WME7 doesn’t allow you to encode in that, it only has ACELP and windows media audio 8. In WME9 you get PCM but I don’t think it’s the same. So pick anything, really (I’d pick the one with the lowest bitrate so it takes as little space as possible - wma 8 at 0 kbps). For Video pick “ISO MPEG-4 version 1”. Video size pick a size (or pick custom and type 352x240 - that’s what your file seemed to be). Click advanced. I DON’T know what to put for buffer size. You can try default first, but if it doesn’t work, put custom and put 1 for example and try other values. then click next. I don’t know the frame rate or the keyframe interval on your videos. You may have to tweak those values, or find out what the frame rate of your videos are (play it with mplayer2.exe then click on statistics or properties, i forget which - get back to me if you want to check for sure). Keyframe interval tends to be important, and I’d guess 1 at first, but you can increase and see what the camera handles. Finally I always choose max crispness rather than smoothness because i like clarity in my vids, but you may have to tinker that too. Then you’re done, click a bunch of next and finish and you can encode.

Good luck and get back to me if you’re lost or get stuck. Be sure to provide more DETAILED info about what you’re doing, what you tried, what OS you have etc. if you want more help!!

First of al thank you for your reply.
the player asa i said is a noname and the model written on the back doesn`t show up on google so finding info on the net about it is out of the question.
the only info i can provide is by analising the .asf file in the player that works fine or the video files created by the camera of the player.

I`ll try to do as you instructed me in the previous post and reply with the results(srry about my english)
again,thank you !

unfortunately it doesn`t work (wme7).when i select the file and click next an error occurs (wich apears whatever the file format:mp3,avi,mpeg).

Do you have any previous version of Windows lying around? I could walk you through installing Microsoft Virtual PC, then run WME7 in the virtual machine (lot of work, I know, but it might be worth it).

nope i don`t have any windows previously to xp but i think my computer is messed up bigtime(the o.s.) i tried the method described here: http://www.moviecodec.com/topics/5175p4.html but when i try to install REALmagic MPEG-4 Video Codec when the message with :“this ... has not passed windows logo testing " the button with continue anyway is missing (probably because i`m not loged in as the comp admin according to the message but even if i log in as the admin the message is the same) so i`ll probably format the hell out of it.

Oh yeah, that was a huge thread on creating MP4S videos to work on Aiptek digital camcorders! In the end I think they worked out doing it with other flavors of MPEG-4 (xvid I think) then changing the fourcc. I believe the RealMagic MPEG-4 codec has fourcc RMP4.
Well, if you choose to format, don’t forget to backup important stuff to CD’s first (stuff you couldn’t get again, like digital pics or personal documents or bookmarks - the rest can always be redownloaded).
If you do reformat, try installing Windows Media Encoder 9 right after installing the OS the first time (and before applying patches, or newer versions of WMP or DirectX). I’m almost certain MP4S will be on the list of codec choices for encoding (remember to choose constant bitrate! it’s not available under variable bitrate).

the win cd has sp2 integrated so probably it won`t work.
I saw that those camcorders use the same formats as my pmp so is it possible that it might work?

formated but wme doesnt work.
i also tried the method used for the camcorders but will not work at all on the player.Strange thing is that the foldernamefor vids and pics is the same both on my player and the camcorders:100media(wich is in dcim folder also found in both my player and the camcorders).
Is there any other way to convert vid files to .asf? ((

Which version of wme did you try? If you used version 9, did you pick constant bitrate under encoding?

>> Is there any other way to convert vid files to .asf?
Yes, using NetShow Encoder, NetShow Tools, and Windows Media Tools (all precursors of Windows Media Encoder), but none of them encode in MP4S.
Some contain command-line utilities to transcode from avi to asf (it’s called vid2asf or vidtoasf I forget which - you can also find it on the web), but you still need your source AVI to have the right fourcc (MP4S). The trick people in the Aiptek thread did was convert to some flavor of MPEG-4 (DivX, Xvid, 3vix, or other), convert to asf using the command-line utility, then change the fourcc manually with a hex editor.

in the hex editor i found that the original file has the mp4s fourcc but when i make an .asf file and mofifie the fourcc into mp4s the player will not play it back.
here is a vid made by the camera of the player;perhaps i missed smth
http://www.keepmyfile.com/download/14ec601683354

Sorry for being out of action for a while. I formatted and reinstalled a clean version of XP with integrated SP2, and indeed WME 9 doesn’t have MP4S enabled, and WME 7 doesn’t work on it. I formatted again and installed a clean version of XP with SP1a integrated this time. MP4S does work with WME 9 on there. I spent some time trying to figure out what the file involved was. I couldn’t figure it out with process explorer (from sysinternals); it listed some weird files, but not any dll codec files I’d expect. I just grabbed any file starting with mpg and mp4 for later. (I just reformatted and reinstalled XP SP2 again.) Basically I’m going to do trial and error to see if I can find the file responsible for enabling MP4S. I don’t have much hope, but keep your fingers crossed.
In the meantime you can try out this file. I made it in WME 9 while on XP SP1a with the following settings: No audio, MP4S (Microsoft ISO MPEG-4 version 1), 320x240, 20 fps, 1035 K (for bitrate), default buffer (3 sec), and 1 sec between keyframes. I’m not 100% sure about the settings, I’m just recalling from memory. Here’s the file http://www.keepmyfile.com/download/17ed151687951 Of course WME named it blahblahblah.wmv. I just chose the naming convention of your camera (PLUSnnnn.ASF, where the n’s are numbers). Don’t panic if you don’t see video immediately. The first 3 seconds are black screen. Let me know when you’re done downloading the file so I can get on the delete link on the server and delete it.
PS: it took me ages to figure out that WME 9 does not like xvid as a source. (It’s documented on the web, but I have yet to find the reason)

>> but when i make an .asf file and mofifie the fourcc into mp4s the player will not play it back.
Well you have to keep in mind .asf is a container. The video stream inside can be encoded with different codecs. Just changing the fourcc won’t magically make another codec decode it. The reason it *sometimes* works between DivX, Xvid, 3ivx, MP4S, M4S2, etc. is because they’re all different flavors of the MPEG-4 (part 2) standard. There will be slight differences between different implementations, and there’s no guarantee one can or will decode any of the others - it’s just a matter of luck mostly (the only general guarantee is that the codec will decode its own fourcc, that’s it).

thank you for your help the file did not play at all ;another thing (don`t know if it helps ) is that for appx 4min the file size is 26Mb .
I repeat the onli files that played were the ones converted with sunplus pmp transcoding tool BUT the image was verry distorted unwatchable.

I tried replacing all the files starting with mp4 and mpg in sp2 with their sp1a versions, but that didn’t work.
Based on this (bunch of bollocks) advice from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/faq.aspx#4_6
I created a profile that uses MP4S in SP1a and I tried to load it in WME 9 in SP2 but I got this error msg: “The requested video codec is not installed on this system. (0xC00D0BC4)" (Obviously the codec is installed - it’s just the encoder portion is disabled.)
Finally I did a byte-by-byte comparison of all files in the C:\Program Files\Windows Media Components\Encoder folder from sp1a with those in sp2. The only different file was WMCmd.vbs. I looked at the contents of the sp1 version and it has strings like “MP41: ISO MPEG-4 Video v1”, which aren’t in the sp2 version. (MP41 isn’t a fourcc - it’s just a string they used to refer to their codec). I tried to copy the file to sp2 and overwrite the sp2 version. “ISO MPEG-4 Video v1” still doesn’t show up on the list of codecs.
I e-mailed Microsoft about it and basically they said look in their knowledge base yourself, or pay them by credit card at this page http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=9200&gprid=350798 for direct support, which is just a bunch of crap.
I’m sorry to say, but your only hope is to get an older version of Windows (95B or later) and run Microsoft Virtual PC with it. (to make MP4S asf files that is)

The “big” thread for this is
http://www.moviecodec.com/topics/5175p1.html
The guys had various digital camcorders (most recorded in ASF with either MP4S or M4S2).
Many people tried encoding to xvid avi, then using vidtoasf.exe to change to asf, then changed the fourcc manually. Others used tools to make 3gp files, and still others used ffmpeg. All this was with mixed results.
Going through this, I went towards the end
http://www.moviecodec.com/topics/5175p18.html
and at the bottom someone *claims* there’s a perfect-working tool (be cautious - never know... it could be a virus, but it’s something to try.)
Spin made a HUGE compilation of the methods at http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3nvj6/Blender/AIPTEK/aiptek.html however that was in 2005 and the page is now down. You *could* try e-mailing him at vze3nvj6 (i’m just doing this to avoid spammers), at sign, verizon dot net.

i`ll try to get a win98 is that good?
i never worked with virtual pc;do you have a yahoo mess id(or smth trough wich we can communicate more easy) ? to help me trough the process?

got virtual pc and installing win 98 .
what do i do next? what codecs should i install? and what wme should i use?

Which version of win98 are you using? first or second edition?

The only things you need to install from Microsoft are:
Windows Media Player 6.4 (Nothing newer!!!) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/version64/default.aspx
It may not allow you to install it (meaning the version is already 6.4).
WME 7.
Don’t install any other codec or anything from Microsoft.

You can install third-party codecs though (Xvid, DivX (5), whatever)

A few Virtual PC tips: use hardware virtualization in Virtual PC if you system allows it, it can speed up things. Use shared folders to access files on your system (for example to send files to produce to win98, and to take the files win98 produced back to your pc, or to install files). Do not use active desktop (it may come default in some versions of win98); i can’t stand the web interface (single click for open etc.) but that’s just me... For access to the internet, use NAT (Network address translation) for your network settings.
Reminder about wme7: it only takes input with audio (annoying isn’t it?); use silent audio (sound recorder with your speakers unplugged) if necessary.

before you posted i`ve installed win98 se and :wme7 ace mega codecs pack(without it wme could not open files) .
till now i converted one file but it is in .wmv and renaming it xxx.asf doesn`t do the job(.wmv not suported by pmp)how do i change the extension of the file?
boy i would like to get my hands on the stupid chinese that desinged this pmp.